Fishing, not pulling, skirted lures for Marlin

Re: Fishing, not pulling, skirted lures for Marlin

Postby Arrie D » Wed Jan 21, 2015 9:28 am

shot !! thanks
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Re: Fishing, not pulling, skirted lures for Marlin

Postby Fin-S » Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:09 am

Arrie D, don't stress about hook up ratio's, sometimes you will go 100% and sometimes even the best crews can drop 10 in a row. As long as you do the basics, they will stick at one time or another.

For lure fishing. Generally you have a bullet shaped head, a flat faced head, a concave (cup), and a slant. In some cases the head is the same width/ diameter from front to back, and in some cases it tapers either smaller or larger, with the best movers (in my opinion) going from larger to smaller.

A bullet shaped head tends to be a straight runner with little deviation and is often quite heavy. They are normally run far back in the shotgun position and are responsible for lots of bycatch as well as providing the marlin with a plain running lure that is easy to catch, vs all the other lures that are popping and bubbling. In the same category are hex heads, Tuna heads (like the old Tuna Runner) and the like. My theory on the bird / squid combo being successful is because it is easy to catch and our Cape fish are full and lazy.

A flat face is just that, a 90 degree face on a circular body. While it sounds simple and basic it is probably the most widely run lure as anyone can put it out in most positions and conditions and it will work, Moldcraft wide range softhead is the standard. It is generally not as aggressive as a cup faced lure and does not have as much of a bubble trail - but it is stable and works!

A cup is a concave face with the amount of cup (how deep it is) and size of the head affecting how aggressive it is and how large the bubble trail is. The large ones are quite stable in rough conditions and hence are often run short. Medium size are good off the riggers / long corners. I guess the standard medium one is the Pakula.

A slant head is where lure dynamics really come into play. How much slant, how much diameter, how much length and how heavy all determine how a lure will run. If you think how an XRap can run with a lip, you can picture how an aggressive slant can cause a lure to run deep. Now, sculpt this lure to suck air in (by tapering the head shape) when it is on top and it will dive and wiggle whilst releasing a long bubble trail until the air is finished then it will rise up, breathe and dive again. Due to their nature, they can take some trial and error with hook positioning to get them to run right. Put them in clean water off the rigger and they can be mesmerising to watch.

Then you have pear shaped lures where the idea is to get a really strong bubble trail, tube lures for depth and stability (think Tomahawk) and now Orb shaped lures (never used them).

When pulling lures I set the drag in 2 ways, 1, when fishing the riggers it is set 2 clicks over the minimum for holding the lure (about 3kgs). As soon as the fish takes and is direct to the rod, move up to half strike. All direct lures (corners.shotgun) are run at half strike. I like to fish heavy drags though so strike is 9kgs. Ask 10 guys this question and you will get 10 different answers.

There is no point in accelerating - you will not put more pressure on the fish as it is against the drag and in most cases the fish is already out of the spread before you react. I do however always count to 5 before making a decision in case it is a pack attack. Only then do I slow to just ahead so guys can clear rods. If the fish is going ballistic and dumping line, then only clear the one side and start chasing asap. Both motors always on and in gear in case you need to spin.
200lb wind on is fine, lure trace should be 400 and as long as the longest fish you are likely to catch.
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Re: Fishing, not pulling, skirted lures for Marlin

Postby Machann » Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:59 am

Arrie Da, what Tim has already forgotten I still have to learn so you can listen to him. :D
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Re: Fishing, not pulling, skirted lures for Marlin

Postby backline » Wed Jan 21, 2015 11:22 am

The only time one needs to accelerate is slow trolling baits, liveys especially, and then I would only come up to about 8-10 kn. Otherwise on a small boat you throw your crew around and most times they are unprepared for it if you dont warn them which often happens in the excitement!
If you are fishing Struis I would have some small ie 6-9" lures in the centre of my spread as the stripeys are often balling small maasbankers on the edge of the 100m drop off. You can pick up the baitballs and odd fish on the sounder so stay in the area. They are often amongst the skippeys too, so is Mr Big Black.
Probably the most amazing site I have ever seen was 2x600lb blacks balling yellowtail on the twelve.
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Re: Fishing, not pulling, skirted lures for Marlin

Postby Machann » Wed Jan 21, 2015 11:40 am

Dave, do you think there is granders on Struis or at least 800lb blacks?
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Re: Fishing, not pulling, skirted lures for Marlin

Postby Arrie D » Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:26 pm

Shot Guys - Tim you must speak to Ross - you need to take me along one day and show me the ropes of Marlin fishing :lol: :lol:
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Re: Fishing, not pulling, skirted lures for Marlin

Postby Fin-S » Wed Jan 21, 2015 5:42 pm

One of the longliners got a grander off Struis 2 years ago - apparently it took a hooked tail and choked on it and died.
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Re: Fishing, not pulling, skirted lures for Marlin

Postby backline » Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:28 pm

Our coast is not a major highway for those really big fish. My advice to anyone wanting trophy fish would be to head straight to the ribbon reefs north of Cairns early November. That said, there is always the possibility locally. But....... will the (un)fortunate angler be behind a 80 or 130 rig. I get more fun out of 100kg class fish on stand up 50 and would happily go to 200kg but no more than that. When the skippys are in huge numbers I put a few liveys out and will probably regret it one day when that fish shows up
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Re: Fishing, not pulling, skirted lures for Marlin

Postby FishExcutnr » Mon Apr 13, 2015 6:26 am

Okay thought id reply to let you guy know what ive learnt :D

Just arrived in the Marshall islands. since leaving indo we've had a few days to get the lures behind the big boat. Think the tally is 6 blues and one black landed, 350lb is about the biggest fish, pictures are hard to come by as i don't like taking the fish out the water but ill look what crew have taken and put up. Pulled hooks on one fish and one fish spooled Tiagra 80, first run unstoppable, 500lb plus fish eating the the short and just saying fuck this. peed my pants a little :shock: Dosent matter loading all the 80's with jerry brown 130lb hollowcore in the future with Ande 100b mono topshot, should give added edge on the big boat as we can't chase or slow down very fast like a normal sports fisher.

What have i found that work?. Absolutely loved learning about what lure tells a story with another. Im only running a 4 lure spread but i can really set it up, short super aggressive, than throw a small slant behind it in the clear water and than a straight running tuna style cone head shotgun. All depends on the conditions though and some lures need special attention to swim right. I he comes in and has a look at the short, and often turns and smashed the small slant. or the lazy fish go and head shake behind the shotgun, just drop back a bit into his mouth or crank a few times and he eats! Two fish just came up to the a marlin candy fished short and just fucked it up no playing around, another ate a Zunker 5.5 also short but that's the fish that spooled.

All the lures are rigged with Pakula dojo and roddy hay. Single semi stiff , i use electrical tape, run out of heat shrink. All hooks have back bart hook stoppers and are set as far back as possible and facing upwards. One marlin candy has a double with a 180 offset, it claimed a 350lb blue but im fond of the the single layout especially boat side on the aft deck trying not to drown getting smashed around by a green bill!. Watching the lazy fish behind the shotgun, they slash endlessly and i think the semi stiff rig with upward facing gape is the best for a solid hookup in top jaw. Thin gauge ultra sharp is so much better than the standard tuna gape style most guys use. I actually think there is no point pulling lures without specialised hooks!!! Speak to a mate in australia who runs charters and he swears by pukula dojo, they are epic hooks, they so sharp they catch fish in your dreams. no lies ive bled many times thanks to them actually!

My drags are all set at 10kg, in the trolled position they around 5kg, after the fish eats and turns i slam up to 10kg for decent run and than back off depending on the amount of line out.

My tackle and time spent chasing marlin is still heavily limited but i love it. Unfortunately my Tomahawks, mold craft wide ranges, zunkers, and big fish hunting BB Brazilliano ,Super Plunger ,1656 Angle ,Hawaiian Breakfast and kona pro jet's will only come to me in Tahiti. But heading west across to Fiji end of the year in anycase.

In any case, i cannot wait to target the cape marlin when home with the much gained experience out here on the pacific. I feel with the right hook setup would improve hook up ratios dramatically.

Only problem is dam can you spend cash on marlin lures! :shock: :shock:
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Re: Fishing, not pulling, skirted lures for Marlin

Postby Wiele » Wed Oct 14, 2015 2:17 pm

Fin-S wrote:One of the longliners got a grander off Struis 2 years ago - apparently it took a hooked tail and choked on it and died.



Very interesting reading guys thanks .

I think fin s , if it's the same fish , it was just out of a matter of interest , the snawelvis , choked on a yft of about 25 kgs .

Saw some pics of it ,pretty hectic
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